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Making a Murderer': Nancy Grace Details Why Steven Avery is Guilty (Q& A)[Warning: This interview contains graphic details from Netflix's Making a Murderer and the Steven Avery case.]Count HLN host Nancy Grace among those who think Steven Avery — the subject of Netflix's smash- hit docuseries Making a Murderer — is guilty of murdering 2. Teresa Halbach, whose charred remains were found on his Wisconsin auto salvage property in 2.
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Avery, who had previously served 1. Brendan Dassey, who at age 1. Grace has been covering the case since the murder investigation, having interviewed Avery on her show while the search for Halbach was still underway. As she reveals in this interview, it was that conversation that tipped her off to Avery's guilt.) Grace recently devoted an hour to the topic, sharing a startling sit- down with Jodi Stachowski, who is portrayed in the series as Avery's devoted fiancee.
But Stachowski now says she was coerced by Avery into maintaining his innocence on camera and that he is in fact a "monster" who she is certain is guilty. Also mentioned in the broadcast were portions of a detailed Dassey confession that did not make it into the series, a full transcript of which Grace shared with The Hollywood Reporter. Here now is THR's conversation with Grace about the case that has riveted the country. You appear in Making a Murderer. You covered the case early on, and one of the things you latched on to were letters Avery had sent the mother of his children while wrongfully imprisoned for rape — letters in which he writes things like, “I hate you, you got your divorce now you will pay for it,” and “If you don’t brang up my kids I will kill you. I promis. Ha. Ha. What about those letters suggested to you that Avery was capable of the crimes for which he'd later be found guilty? I’m going to talk about another letter first.

I saw this letter, it was produced by his fiancee, Jodi Stachowski, and in it he is threatening her from behind bars. He’s telling her if she does not give him money that he will frame her for drunk driving. On other occasions she said — and I found her to be believable having worked with so many domestic violence victims — that if she did not make him look good to the Netflix documentarians, well, it was basically, “Do it, or else.” I’ve met women who would practically do anything rather than take another beating. It really struck me that she chose to eat rat poison just so she could get away from him and go to the hospital. How did you get this interview with her? When we first started covering the case, I had contacted so many people and we ended up getting to speak to her. She’s taking a lot of heat now, and I understand that because it’s easily argued that, well, when is she lying, then or now? However, having dealt with so many domestic violence victims, I don’t find it unusual that she chose to lie for him.
Not at all. And so nothing she told you in yesterday’s interview surprised you at all? No. Not at all. Before you had this information, what made you so confident of his guilt? I hope you’re sitting down because this might take a while. Let me start with the most compelling evidence, which is the DNA evidence, mixed with the logistics, the timeline and common sense. Starting at the beginning, Steven Avery was wrongfully convicted of rape. Why was he in the photo lineup to start with?
Just before the victim was raped, Steven Avery had either rammed into a woman or run her off the road in his car and then pulled a gun on her. She happened to be married or related to a sheriff’s deputy. Another relative, a young female relative, had claimed that Avery molested her. The police knew this. When the rape victim gave her description and it sounded like Avery, who was on their minds because of the other incidents, they put him in the photo array — which is totally constitutional.
She picked him out. It was not a plant by police — he was in the lineup with four or five other guys.
This was in the late ‘8. ID and corroboration. He was wrongfully convicted. Now we fast- forward to this.
He’s out two years. The DNA evidence is as such: His blood is found in six locations in her vehicle. Her DNA is on a bullet fragment in his garage.
That bullet is without a doubt fired from his weapon which is hanging from a wall in his bedroom. Ballistics are like a fingerprint. Only one gun makes particular markings on a bullet as it hurtles down the barrel. It was from his gun and it had her DNA on it. It would be a very difficult thing for police to do to put her DNA on a bullet fragment that can only be identified under a microscope, in his garage. Also very, very compelling is sweat DNA [found under the hood of his car that was not mentioned in the series]. Why is that compelling to me?
Have you ever heard of a warrant for someone’s sweat? Watch American Soldiers Online Mic more. No. Because it doesn’t exist. You cannot extricate sweat from a human pursuant to a warrant. Blood, yes? I’ve done it a million times to get DNA. Hair? Yes. Pubic hair? Yes. Photographs of a naked body? Yes. Fingerprints?
Yes. Walking sample? Yes! Writing sample? Yes! Speech? Yes! Sweat? No.[Former Avery defense attorney] Dean Strang says there’s no such thing as sweat DNA — that you could never determine whether or not sweat is the source of someone’s DNA. According to the trial lawyers, sweat was under the hood of Teresa Halbach’s car and it was his sweat. And there’s more. The day that Teresa goes missing she had been working for Autotrader.
She had previously been to the Avery auto salvage lot on four or five occasions. She stated she did not want to go back [because] Avery creeped her out when he answered the door in a towel. They talked her into going back.
That was about 2 o’clock in the afternoon. She was never seen alive again. If we’re talking about a conspiracy then I guess Ma Bell is in on it, because the phone records show that Steven Avery hid his identity through *6. Why did he do that? He even tells me on my show that she came over that afternoon. When did you talk to him?
I guess it was 2. Teresa Halbach. And that’s on camera. He says she came over, but then, that afternoon at 4: 3. He does not hide his identity this time. He calls her from his phone and says, “Hey, how come you never came over?
Where are ya?” So he’s pretending she didn’t come to throw police off the track. But he tells me on the air that she came! Now to get to where her car was found on the edge of his property. It was hidden behind limbs and leaves and another car hood and plywood. To get to it, you had to pass by an office of sorts where he is. So how did somebody get her car after she left, plant his blood in it, plant his sweat under the hood and leave it in the back of the lot without him seeing them come in?
Not only that, but her bones, there’s about 2. All of them. So she was killed, murdered somewhere else, and all of her bones are burned and transported there? And they didn’t drop one? Also there's her tooth and a rivet of her "Daisy Fuentes blue jeans" that she was wearing the day she goes missing. All of this is found in his burn pit in his backyard. What about the lack of blood? What about it? Well, Making a Murderer puts the question forth that if she was truly raped and stabbed to death in his bedroom, there would be blood evidence on the floors and walls.
Same with the garage where she was supposedly shot. Investigators cut up the floor and went deep into cracks and found nothing. Brendan Dassey’s family saw bleach on his pants that day and he said that there was a bleach cleanup.